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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 9, 2013 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Margaret Thatcher

I came of age during the 80s as well BD and I earnestly hope that I never wear rose colored glasses of that, or any age. That being said I don't understand the American caricature of her. Is it simply that the friend of my enemy, Ronnie and the Reaganauts, is also my enemy?

I do not pose such questions to our British friends. I lived in Scotland right smack dab in the middle of her reign, so I am familiar with the rage directed against her. Also, since I am not a British citizen and do not fully understand their domestic politics, I lay out of the debates. (Though as an aside, Neil Kinnock seemed to never effectively engage her and was as a consequence a poor leader against her. That he could not make Labour more palatable to the British voter is on him.) My take on her is based on her foreign policy/ geopolitical philosophy, which I think was one key element to ending the Soviet Union.

Tom Chivers, writing for the Telegraph, wrote a thoughtful piece >
In particular this stands out as to why the degree of hate and thus the caricature, " because she won, and won emphatically, and in the process brought her opponents down from lofty pedestals and made them irrelevant....The unions and the Socialist Workers' Party and so on hate Thatcher so much because before her they were powerful, and after her they were not."

Though not the scene I wanted (I can no longer find the opening of the party conference in episode two) how could we leave Maggie without a few words from her dramatic twin >
I think she had just as much contempt (which she was quite good at) for her political allies as she did for her enemies. After all, who ended her reign? Et tu, Brute?

Thanks for the music update and the NPR First Listen rec.

E- The Telegraph link I think is working now.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 10, 2013 10:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Margaret Thatcher

Interesting thoughts....

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 11, 2013 2:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Margaret Thatcher

The link wording alone was enough to give me pause, but I'm glad I read it and a thanks to you for sharing.

I think Brand is right on about this > ...perhaps that Thatcher died as she sobbed self-pitying tears as she was driven, defeated, from Downing Street, ousted by her own party.

And while I do not know if her aloneness in old age (which Brand captured well) isn't how many elderly folks feel, as what is and who are their contemporaries becomes the past and fades away, Maggie does have some of the flavor of Nixon walking alone on the beach at San Clemente (in his loafers). Most of our endings are (if we make it that far), and will be, rather sad and feeble efforts in comparison to what we had been before.

It will be interesting to see how historians treat her in a generation or two. RIP Maggie.